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By elwro07

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26-01-2023, 20:49

The second half of the Polish character set (I'm sorry for the delay Manuel):

0x7F 0x2302 # HOUSE
0x80 0x00C7 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA
0x81 0x00FC # LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
0x82 0x00E9 # LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH ACUTE
0x83 0x00E2 # LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CIRCUMFLEX
0x84 0x0105 # LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH OGONEK
0x85 0x017C # LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH DOT ABOVE
0x86 0x0027 # LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DOT ABOVE
0x87 0x00E7 # LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH CEDILLA
0x88 0x00EA # LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH CIRCUMFLEX
0x89 0x015B # LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH ACUTE
0x8A 0x017A # LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH ACUTE
0x8B 0x00EF # LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH DIAERESIS
0x8C 0x0119 # LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH OGONEK
0x8D 0x0107 # LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH ACUTE
0x8E 0x00C4 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS
0x8F 0x00C5 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE
0x90 0x00C9 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH ACUTE
0x91 0x00E6 # LATIN SMALL LETTER AE
0x92 0x00C6 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE
0x93 0x00F4 # LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH CIRCUMFLEX
0x94 0x00F6 # LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS
0x95 0x00F2 # LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH GRAVE
0x96 0x00FB # LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH CIRCUMFLEX
0x97 0x00F9 # LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH GRAVE
0x98 0x00FF # LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH DIAERESIS
0x99 0x00D6 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS
0x9A 0x00DC # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
0x9B 0x00A2 # CENT SIGN
0x9C 0x00A3 # POUND SIGN
0x9D 0x00A5 # YEN SIGN
0x9E 0x20A7 # PESETA SIGN
0x9F 0x0192 # LATIN SMALL LETTER F WITH HOOK
0xA0 0x00E1 # LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH ACUTE
0xA1 0x00ED # LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH ACUTE
0xA2 0x00F3 # LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH ACUTE
0xA3 0x00FA # LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH ACUTE
0xA4 0x0144 # LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH ACUTE
0xA5 0x00D1 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH TILDE
0xA6 0x00AA # FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR
0xA7 0x00BA # MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR
0xA8 0x00BF # INVERTED QUESTION MARK
0xA9 0x2310 # REVERSED NOT SIGN
0xAA 0x00AC # NOT SIGN
0xAB 0x00BD # VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF
0xAC 0x00BC # VULGAR FRACTION ONE QUARTER
0xAD 0x00A1 # INVERTED EXCLAMATION MARK
0xAE 0x00AB # LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
0xAF 0x00BB # RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK
0xB0 0x00C3 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH TILDE
0xB1 0x00E3 # LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH TILDE
0xB2 0x0128 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH TILDE
0xB3 0x0129 # LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH TILDE
0xB4 0x0105 # LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH OGONEK
0xB5 0x0142 # LATIN SMALL LETTER L WITH STROKE
0xB6 0x0119 # LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH OGONEK
0xB7 0x0143 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N WITH ACUTE
0xB8 0x0107 # LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH ACUTE
0xB9 0x015B # LATIN SMALL LETTER S WITH ACUTE
0xBA 0x017C # LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH DOT ABOVE
0xBB 0x01B5 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z WITH STROKE
0xBC 0x0106 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C WITH ACUTE
0xBD 0x017A # LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH ACUTE
0xBE 0x0179 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER Z WITH ACUTE
0xBF 0x00A7 # SECTION SIGN
0xC0 0x2582 # LOWER ONE QUARTER BLOCK
0xC1 0x259A # QUADRANT UPPER LEFT AND LOWER RIGHT
0xC2 0x00D3 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH ACUTE
0xC3 0x1FB82 # UPPER ONE QUARTER BLOCK
0xC4 0x0104 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH OGONEK
0xC5 0x1FB85 # UPPER THREE QUARTERS BLOCK
0xC6 0x258E # LEFT ONE QUARTER BLOCK
0xC7 0x259E # QUADRANT UPPER RIGHT AND LOWER LEFT
0xC8 0x0141 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER L WITH STROKE
0xC9 0x1FB87 # RIGHT ONE QUARTER BLOCK
0xCA 0x1FB8A # RIGHT THREE QUARTERS BLOCK
0xCB 0x1FB99 # UPPER RIGHT TO LOWER LEFT FILL
0xCC 0x1FB98 # UPPER LEFT TO LOWER RIGHT FILL
0xCD 0x0118 # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH OGONEK
0xCE 0x1FB6F # LOWER TRIANGULAR ONE QUARTER BLOCK
0xCF 0x1FB6C # LEFT TRIANGULAR ONE QUARTER BLOCK
0xD0 0x1FB6E # RIGHT TRIANGULAR ONE QUARTER BLOCK
0xD1 0x1FB9A # UPPER AND LOWER TRIANGULAR HALF BLOCK
0xD2 0x015A # LATIN CAPITAL LETTER S WITH ACUTE
0xD3 0x2598 # QUADRANT UPPER LEFT
0xD4 0x2597 # QUADRANT LOWER RIGHT
0xD5 0x259D # QUADRANT UPPER RIGHT
0xD6 0x2596 # QUADRANT LOWER LEFT
0xD7 0x1FB96 # INVERSE CHECKER BOARD FILL
0xD8 0x0394 # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER DELTA
0xD9 0x2021 # DOUBLE DAGGER
0xDA 0x03C9 # GREEK SMALL LETTER OMEGA
0xDB 0x2588 # FULL BLOCK
0xDC 0x2584 # LOWER HALF BLOCK
0xDD 0x258C # LEFT HALF BLOCK
0xDE 0x2590 # RIGHT HALF BLOCK
0xDF 0x2580 # UPPER HALF BLOCK
0xE0 0x03B1 # GREEK SMALL LETTER ALPHA
0xE1 0x00DF # LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S
0xE2 0x0393 # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER GAMMA
0xE3 0x03C0 # GREEK SMALL LETTER PI
0xE4 0x03A3 # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER SIGMA
0xE5 0x03C3 # GREEK SMALL LETTER SIGMA
0xE6 0x00B5 # MICRO SIGN
0xE7 0x03C4 # GREEK SMALL LETTER TAU
0xE8 0x03A6 # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER PHI
0xE9 0x0398 # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER THETA
0xEA 0x03A9 # GREEK CAPITAL LETTER OMEGA
0xEB 0x03B4 # GREEK SMALL LETTER DELTA
0xEC 0x221E # INFINITY
0xED 0x2205 # EMPTY SET
0xEE 0x2208 # ELEMENT OF
0xEF 0x2229 # INTERSECTION
0xF0 0x2261 # IDENTICAL TO
0xF1 0x00B1 # PLUS-MINUS SIGN
0xF2 0x2265 # GREATER-THAN OR EQUAL TO
0xF3 0x2264 # LESS-THAN OR EQUAL TO
0xF4 0x2320 # TOP HALF INTEGRAL
0xF5 0x2321 # BOTTOM HALF INTEGRAL
0xF6 0x00F7 # DIVISION SIGN
0xF7 0x2248 # ALMOST EQUAL TO
0xF8 0x00B0 # DEGREE SIGN
0xF9 0x2219 # BULLET OPERATOR
0xFA 0x00B7 # MIDDLE DOT
0xFB 0x221A # SQUARE ROOT
0xFC 0x207F # SUPERSCRIPT LATIN SMALL LETTER N
0xFD 0x00B2 # SUPERSCRIPT TWO
0xFE 0x25A0 # BLACK SQUARE

By Manuel

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27-01-2023, 22:17

elwro07 - thanks a lot! Which name can I put in the credits?

By elwro07

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27-01-2023, 22:22

You're welcome.
You can put elwro07.

By Manuel

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28-01-2023, 00:26

I wrote:

引用:

- the character 0x1C seems to be the same as 0xBE (latin capital letter z with acute)

And yes, you seem to agree. They look identical really, Ź. But they have different character codes, AND you can actually type them differently as well!
The 1C variant can be typed with GRAPH-X and the BE variant with SHIFT-GRAPH-Z.

How weird is that... what were they thinking? Why put duplicates in there in the first place? Perfectly usseful characters were sacrificed for it!?

By elwro07

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28-01-2023, 16:26

I think these duplicates make some sense if you read this below having GRAPH key=AltGr key in mind:

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Polish diacritics are accessed by using the AltGr key with a corresponding similar letter from the base Latin alphabet. Normal capitalization rules apply with respect to Shift and Caps Lock keys. For example, to enter "Ź", one can type Shift+AltGr+X with Caps Lock off, or turn on Caps Lock and type AltGr+X.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Polish

By Manuel

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28-01-2023, 21:58

Well, yeah, but they could have mapped these matrix positions differently instead of duplicating the characters. Well, I guess.. Don't know if there are any combinations unused so they could move some around.

By theNestruo

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29-01-2023, 10:25

Are there 12 (6x2) duplicated characters!?

Also (slightly offtopic): what's the tool to generate the images in the MSX font page of the wiki? Not only this Polish set is missing, but the Japanese (MSX2+ version), Korean, and some Portuguese/Brazilian variations. I can provide "raw" images extracted from the BIOS files, if that helps.

By Manuel

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29-01-2023, 11:00

All the data to generate such a file is in the unicodemap files that come with openMSX. I checked and (re) generated them using a Tcl script in openMSX that hits all key matrix positions, with all modifier combinations. Together with the character mapping table to Unicode, this script does its job.

By theNestruo

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29-01-2023, 12:01

Manuel wrote:

All the data to generate such a file is in the unicodemap files that come with openMSX. I checked and (re) generated them using a Tcl script in openMSX that hits all key matrix positions, with all modifier combinations. Together with the character mapping table to Unicode, this script does its job.

???
I meant the charset images in the MSX font page of the wiki, with the graphical assets upscaled, and with grid and coordinates.

By Manuel

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29-01-2023, 15:45

Ah, I thought you meant the keyboard layout wiki pages Smile Anyway, there is a relationship. I still think 'font' is a misplaced word. Font is the shape of the characters. The character set is *which* characters are there, not what they look like. And that's what it should be about. There is hardly any variation in fonts and there are much more different character sets.

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