MSX Compilation Vol. 2 - Contents unveiled

Someone can plz DUMP everything so we can create PIRATED copies of the cartridge?

It's virtually IMPOSSIBLE for us to buy those... Of course, I could always ask for a vacation here, buy some airplane tickets for over 1.000 euros and etc...

Normally people don't care, but Spanish, guys in general, seems so self-centric that appears that they want to create some real nice things (like those cartridges), but they want to assure that just some few Spanish users would be able to have'em.
The problem is: If you want to do something EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR like that, PLZ, don't publish that as news on MRC.

sigh...

It's obvious this is against the law, but it might not be against (most) people's personal standpoints, eg. I wouldn't really care about it if the money goes to rent for the fair's building, or free drinks to the visitors. I'm as curious as cidra for an explanation.

*edit* saw the pics, the packaging/cart sticker quality looks great btw.

cidra:

the ultimate games (night shade, gun fright, knightlore) are still copyrighted and ultimate already manifested their will: they dont want this games distributed or sold. the guys at world of spectrum contacted them about it and they are clear: selling ultimate games is illegal.

Muffie. You can't buy this cartridge because this cartridge is sold ONLY in the Barcelona MSX meeting.
I understand that you want buy this cartridge, but I hope you understand that this product can't be sold out of the fair.

This product have two reasons:

1) AAM makes this cartridge for try that MSX users go to the fair.
2) Money to pay rent of MSX fair place. (Remember free entrance for the users and booths).

AAM is a non-profit association. We can't make money. We can't sell this product out of the fair.

Sorry.

1) AAM makes this cartridge for try that MSX users go to the fair.

I would love to go, but, as I said, I'm at least 1.000 euros away, in a different hemisphere with the Atlantic Ocean between me and the fair.

Money to pay rent of MSX fair place. (Remember free entrance for the users and booths).
AAM is a non-profit association. We can't make money. We can't sell this product out of the fair.

Can't really see a difference. You can make money to pay the rent, but you can't make money by selling to anyone outside the fair?
Let's do something: Give me AAM paypal account and I'll happily send you guys a 50 euros donation. In exchange, not related in any way, I receive the two compilations...

muffie, even the people from Spain who are not able to go to the fair CAN'T BUY those special compilations. Don't be so boring. Also, remember that you ARE ABLE to buy ALL of the other carts which are released by Matra or by Pazos. Have you ever buy one?

This is highly questionable ... and irregular. Taking precedents is a dangerous thing!

About the cartridges, a lot of users are taking the wrong impression that the MSX software market is about piracy! Much like in the old days that people KILLED Software Houses by the dozens .

Buying real cartridges? Most people like the ROM cassettes, but now the real question ... How many MSX users buy original cartridges? Would it be any good to produce more cartridges with unlicensed games? Original software is not that hard to do, even the HARDWARE part!

About the cartridges.
Now, imagine the possibility to sell *BRAND NEW* cartridges with *NEVER released* games to promote the fair!

Doing the right thing could be a grateful experience ...

Hmmm ...

33 Ru : Majikazo, Traffic Jam, Operation Wolf
34 Ru: Perfect Fit
35 Ru: Cold Blood.

All of the MSX1 games included have been disassembled and reprogrammed in order to run in any MSX with at least 64kB of RAM.

I strongly prefer to BUY the cartridges, but,... the other option should be trying to recreate the cartridge locally.
The ROM files would be available to download?
What's the size of each one? 64k, 48k?

*PS* Any lucky fellow going to the fair would kindly buy me one? I can pay more!

at Yukio:

If you gonna sleep better, NO, Cold Blood doesn't have ripped stuff.
Well, the text font is kinda Metal Gear

It is difficult to sleep when someone is distributing illegal contend ... Also a lot of persons are not "really" nice. Like the ones that continue to force illegal games into the comunity ...

Cold Blood could be nice, but there is the case of the Atari lawsuit against K.C. Munchkin!.Pac-Man, Cold Blood use similar sprites and it is not easy to believe that it would be a original idea. Sure if someone wanted to avoid the copyrighted matter, putting a witch and some crowns would do wonders ... After all, bread and meat would be fancy. Imagine this with candies, another option could be water candies!

Lawsuit, remember the Atari lawsuit!
K.C. Munchkin!

>Cold Blood could be nice, but there is the case of . Cold Blood use similar sprites, it is not easy to believe that it would be a >original idea. Sure if someone wanted to avoid the copyrighted matter, putting a witch and some crowns would do wonders ... >
>After all, bread and meat would be fancy. Imagine this with candies, another option could be water candies!

Do you realize the hundreds of Pac clones that doesn't use witches, or crowns or bread or meat...?? The fun was made it Pac. I do it for fun, that's the important. But you're right I should have used an square Pac... Now I'll be on jail like those hundreds of evil people who created pac clones without putting witches..., poor me...
And the sprites where created pixel by pixel. Believe it or not. Anyway, try to sleep, will be good

That reminds me the nice Orbital tune (and some others) But then, i'm going out of topic, i'm afraid...

MRC never used to report on where and how to get copyrighted stuff. It makes me a bit sad. Having a strict piracy policy is good for the site in general.

yukio: knightlore, gun fright are piracy. and yes, ultimate CARES about this. ask them. it's piracy, even if it is not for profit. even if it is to get some money for helping poor transsexual guys likes I was, before the change (wich, by the way, my government paid for - we now have free sex change cirurgy here), to finally get their long deserved operations to remove those little nature mistakes. so, it is PIRACY.

To tell you the truth, I'm also Brazilian and I just can't understand Yukio reactions either.
My point is just one: Why they can sell Knight Lore standalone cartridge through Internet, but not the full MSX compilation vol.2?

I can understand some Spanish.
To be 100% honest with you, I was not able to find any new arguments on that post.
You said that you want ppl to go to the fair. What makes sense. Probably some persons would choose not go to the fair and would prefer to just order the cartridge.
Several users were also complaining about the low number of 25 carts, what suggests that there's a probability that even ppl who go to the fair, would not be able to get the cart. You responded to that saying that you guys pay matra upfront, and producing a higher number would cost more money and you would risk not selling all carts, what would produce a money loss in the short period. Of course you could solve that last point by taking "orders" from all users that went to the fair and couldn't get the cart.

But, may I tell you again that I'm extremely far from Barcelona? That's virtually impossible for me to travel to a different continent just for a fair?
Tell me something: If we create some nice game here in Brazil. Something really amazing like Castle of Wolfenstein for MSX, and we publish both a Video in Youtube and some news at MRC saying to all the global MSX community that the game will be ONLY available to 25 MSX users that would pay 100 Brazilian Reais at the MSX Fair in Jaú - São Paulo, would you came to Jaú?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ja%C3%BA,+s%C3%A3o+paulo&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.122306,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=-22.240802,-48.558197&spn=0.622846,1.235962&z=10&iwloc=A

Yukio can comment their points of view and we must respect them. I'm professional gamecoder. And I know what is piracy and their problems. If nobody buys the games for my business, I stay out of work.
I know exactly what it costs to make a new game. Past ten years (or more), if someone download (illegal) my games, I think there will be no problems.

Yes, most persons would think the same. There are some companies that even have some joy when someone take pirate copies of old games, believing that this would provide extra *FREE* publicity without paying one penny for the bandswitch.

There could be some problems when downloading illegal contend, the first is that some search engines can not reach the legal games (FREEWARE and SHAREWARE) . The second is the bandswitch of the illegal downloads, the flux of the Internet is not acceptable when dealing with the overflow.

About limited quantities, it was clearly stated that the cartridge is not for profit. Even some (Shareware) games are commercialized on limited quantities.

Is that it Ramones? Is that all?

Piracy or copyright comments were nothing but bullshit to me. You can rip the unreleased Michael Jackson wannabe show in London and publish it in a 4.3gb cartridge that would only play on real MSX hardware and even like that, no one would care. Costs more money even to look to a large company lawyer than the loss caused by this kind of piracy.
But, I've made a question to Ramones and he have not yet answered.
And my other point is: where can I download all the reworked ROMS that are present on the cartridge? Maybe I want to create one for myself. I can do the menu and bank switching routines easily.

MrSpock:
So, you're not paying for unlicensed, non-freeware and yet "adapted" games.
You're paying for the cartridge ("a MSX cartridge on 2009!" containing those games, in a "not for profit" way, just to pay the rent for the fair...
Hours of work, three enhanced versions included and so on.
Ok, I'll buy this idea.

Yes, that's the point.

But who's gonna pay the authors of the original games (included in the package)?

I don't know, but probably nobody. Besides, do you think that selling these games will harm the authors of the original games? Do you think that the authors of the original games, or the companies, will lose money because of this? Do you think that somebody, nowadays, is buying the MSX tapes of those games to the original companies? Even if these companies plan to publish a compilation today, do you think that they will use the MSX versions? As muffie said, the companies may lose some money if the games were released to run on some commercial platform such as iPhone or PSP. But... on MSX?

Don't get me wrong. I'd buy the cartridge if I had the chance.

Me too ;-)

But again, how come that paying for this product is well accepted, but downloading the same games is illegal?

Legality and being well accepted are not the same thing. I know that downloading a Konami MSX game, for example, is not fully legal. But it is, let's say, well accepted. I can not see any moral issue on this.

Do not misunderstand me: I do understand your point. It's about laws. Probably a lawyer could provide a clear and absolute answer to the question. But I'm not talking about laws. My point is: nobody is harmed, it is morally acceptable. I can't see the problem.

Moreover, the product is sold as a cartridge to a limited number of people who will only play the games on real MSX. Not on PCs, not on emulators. Really, I can't see the problem.

Is that it Ramones? Is that all?

Yes. In this moment, yes. Ramones is VERY BUSY working for the fair . And this thread isn't productive. We have new expositors confirmed for the Ru. I hope that this night aamsx.com can publish the new. THIS IS really important. New expositors.

Muffie. I don't know how explain this. Only 25 copies. AAM haven't money for make more. AAM sell this cartridge ONLY in the RU. AAM have more money for NEW games, but no for this compilation. These are the rules.

Then here we go again:

Selling those cartridges with unlicensed games is not?

Iit doesn't matter if they are limited to 25, hours of work, reworked, enhanced...

It's just pirate product as well.

Then why advertising it at MRC?

Then why advertising it at MRC?

Sorry, but AAM post a new in a Spanish forum explain ALL stands of the 35 Ru. ALL. Not only compilation. But at this moment has not yet been published. I guess isn't my problem.

Surely, this night AAM publish good new of the fair. New expositors. I hope a new talking about THE FAIR.

So why don't we have roms at MRC, for instance?

MRC policy. I fully agree with this policy, but not exactly because of legality. I agree with the policy because it prevents the MRC forums to become a forum for emulator users continuously asking for ROMs and so on. Because of this policy, the forums somehow preserve the.. let's say... MSX spirit. Whatever it is ;-)

Would it harm the authors?

No. Neither the companies.

I'm just talking about the "legal" aspect. We can't even post a link to other sites with roms, if I'm not mistaken.
So how is it possible to advertise a cartridge with unlicensed games for sale?

As I told, I understand your point. However, the cartridge is not about unlicensed games, but about a hard work on adapting the games. The new is not about a webpage having tons of ROMs to download. Is about a cartridge where the games have been adapted to work on real MSX. The new won't attract hundreds of emulator users to download the games. It will attract people to the fair.

How much money are the companies losing, when people download MSX games roms and emulators for free?

Well, that's a different thing. But I have a clear answer: companies won't lose money at all for people downloading 20 or 30 years old games.

Many PSP users download emulators and roms of several systems to use with their portable console.
Is that harmful to the authors?

Harmful to the authors? No. At all. To the companies who still have the copyright? Neither. We are talking about MSX games. Not about emulation of Neo Geo, PSOne or more recent machines. We are talking about a very old computer forgotten by almost all the current companies.

Is that illegal? Because it is very much morally accepted...

Illegal to download games? I'm not sure. I know it is not fully legal, that's right. Morally acceptable or questionable? Well, downloading Metal Gear Solid X (for all X from 1 to 4) is morally questionable, because the company may loose some money. Downloading Abu Simbel Profanation, MSX version, is perfectly acceptable. Nobody loses nothing.

Anyway, this is my last message on this thread. It is not because of any specific message, but because at this point the thread is no longer related to the new.

As for MRC's no-warez policy:

The problem here is the 'grey area' where news items like this one reside. At one end of the balance there is our no-warez policy, at the other end of the balance there's the self-declared warez-freedom people want. Somewhere in the center there is this grey area in which we have to take decisions. Sometimes we don't approve of something that gets submitted to us, and sometimes we feel the news value weighs in higher than the potential element of warez. As for this particular case, you may recall a few moons ago that I was rather impressed with that MSX2 remake of Knight Lore (and judging the reactions, everyone was), that was really news! Should we've ignored the release of that remake then? Yes, BlueMSX -to name something else- comes with system-ROMs, but the newsvalue of the release of a new version weighs heavier than that system-ROM aspect. Yes, the Arranger CD's were sold and contained rearranges of gamemusic (in the pro music world there's still a divider key like 66% / 33% in such cases). It's all in the grey area, because these things do have some black and white elements. It's at our discretion to choose to post or to not post about these greys. Sure you may have your doubt about the choices we make in that grey area, so be it, and we can be contacted if you want any further discussion about that. But often enough we feel people are seemingly complaining with the sole purpose to legalize illegal things: "if you post about this cartridge, why not about warez in general?", or simply: to enforce a new rule based on grey area exceptions.

There's some sorta MRC-bible, with the Genesis chapter saying: 'no warez', so this is obviously going to stay. MRC isn't going to be like other websites for similar retro systems, with a forum, a frontpage and a large download section with all the commercial games ever released - and obviously not everything legal. In similar fashion, MRC isn't going to post links to 'that MSX-warez website', which would be more or less the same as having all its contents in our download section.. both our download section and a link to 'that website' are 1 mouse click away.

And, to emphasize that we're no treehuggers either.. yes: we know that Toshiba probably isn't going to care about their HX10 ROM, yes: we know that FirstStarSoftware (who?) isn't bothered by a .CAS of Boulderdash floating around, yes: Compile (or Aiky, or whatever is left of it) probably has other things on their agenda than a .DSK or .ROM of Aleste. Probably few, if any, publishers are bothered by what they did 25 years ago (I doubt the same people are still working there anyway). And yes, there's probably no one on this whole planet with a clean and legal MSX collection o' games or utils. Point is: we all perfectly know where to get all that stuff, no need to have it visible on MRC.

Each can make his own compilations. There is no problem for the sale of this cartridge, because it's only sold in a private circle, for its material value, and not for what it contains. The answers given by Ramones are clear, and justified.
THE AAM gives itself of the evil every years (x2) to meet the passionate persons of the standard, and the purpose of this announcement is above all to assure a new fear, and not the speculation on an object which interests no more the informatic's commercial industry.

I fully agree with wolf_. There is somewhat a gray area when it comes to general news worthiness and wares. But this is really only something for MRC to consider. Its good that MRC is somewhat conservative when it comes to advertising copyrighted material. If they aren't we may loose the site.

But I don't see any issues at all with the work Ramones and others have done to compile this really nice cartridge. I don't see any problems with charging a few dollars for the work they put in. The goal here is in no way to exploit the original copyrights and steal profit from the original authors. These games are more or less public domain anyways and available on the internet with little attempts by the copyright owners to restrict it.

And really, I think its great that Ramones and others actually take their time to improve these old classics and share their work on nice cartridges.

Of course it would be nice to buy one of them, but if they don't want to sell it thats their choise. Personally I'm hoping for someone to dump the cartridge so I can play it too.

Of course it would be nice to buy one of them, but if they don't want to sell it thats their choise. Personally I'm hoping for someone to dump the cartridge so I can play it too.

That's odd... hoping for someone to dump the cartridge? So, the ROMS are now copyrighted to Ramones?

We'll never see that cart, but it's filled with (C) Ramones 2009 on each rom?, or maybe long EULAs saying how illegal it is to dump the cart?

again: WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THEM?

muffie: There's a difference between talking about warez and requesting warez. The latter is certainly not allowed on MRC. Second yellow card handed to you, pal.

WHAT!??????
Can't you notice that I'm just trying to make him tell the world that the third part copyrighted ROMS are not going to be released??

I'm tired of being threatened to be banned. If you want to do that for something THAT small do IT....

snout, advertising warez is legal? because that's what ramones is doing.

lionel: did you even bother reading my text above, about the grey area?

it is obvious that grey area is just an excuse to give you freedom to ignore policies

thinlizzy: no, this grey area allows us to report about interesting developments concerning MSX and dumping the regular mindless ROM-posts/requests in the trashcan. It makes our site actually worth visiting.

To make it more easy to grasp for your feeble minds:

The MRC crew decide what to post and what to moderate. You don't. You, in your turn, may like MRC -- or not. Please visit MRC accordingly. If you don't understand why we post about so-called 'grey area stuff' (or not) don't bother bugging us about us time and time again. We don't understand you either.

Ahwell, it's like the Vatican complaining about The DaVinci Code and Angels and Demons: as a result of all this blah, the compilation will sell like a tit and the RU is going to be crowded.. Perfect marketing strategy, fellas

To finish, there are those who are right, and those who are wrong.
No importance: this fear will take place in the best atmosphere of these participants and visitors, as last time.

I take advantage of it to make me again the advertising :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ph9o_34-reunion-aamsx-barcelone_videogames

;)

Ivan has already scheduled an RU reminder, one of these days.

Forgiveness to AAM to have to film this 34° meeting without asking for any authorization.
Not please make me lawsuit.

Can I return on Saturday, May 30th to BARCELONA? (With my camera)

Hey Ramones! I want to play Goonies!!! I hope it will be released soon. I want to see the news of this game in the Ru! You are doing a great work (que pelota soy hehe)!!

xD And I want that you play Goonies... and play Corona Encantada in Karohi booth. And you buy "sprites" from sprite girls. And merchadising of Moai and Alifort. And test Internestor Lite in SD-Snatcher booth. And talk with Walter. Play to J.E.T.P.A.C and Cold Blood. And see new developments of ThePetsMode or buy new hardware from Calamar. And... of course, listen to the smooth melodies of Taburoto. xDDD

All these answers are finally reflected only jealousy. It's time to finish now.

There is not only the Internet in the life, to get all that we see.
Konamito (for example), has done 2000 kms by plane to participate in the last meeting of the AAM.
So, move your ass. Or if you can't, support the efforts of your MSX's friends.

At the beginning of this thread, I was not complaining about piracy at all. About MRC warez policies, just look for Muffie in the news and you'll find some links to MSX Historia, where my conversions on the COPYRIGHTED games by Sega, Konami and Parker Brothers can be freely downloaded.
Truly, I support the gray, and even the BLACK area.

BUT, gee Ramones, you're now saying that you will not release the roms? You're making jokes about receiving money for your work?
you ketp saying that you guys are a non profit organization, BUT the only way to get your conversions is by PAYING you? Oh, of course, the profits will be used to pay the rent right? So, it's a non profitable process.

Well, my employer pays me my salary every month. But as all the money is spent in food, education for my kids, taxes and etc... I also work in a non-profit way, right?

You guys all crack me up Let he who is without sin cast the first stone! Props to Ramones, props to AAMSX, and props to MRC for not shutting this page down after all the stupid remarks through the years. Now SHUT THE HELL UP AND STOP DESTROYING THE SCENE!

Algorythms,
What is wrong with my game about falling stones? It is one of my favorite games ... Sure there could be a lot of sins, after all if the programmers could be sons of the Devil their should not be without sins!

One of the problems is that people is judging without seems the final results.

About the arguments, some persons could be in the wrong way .
In the past, there were some nice and fancy FREEWARE games listed on AAMSX. Maybe their could be a little FAIR after all ... Now, get the money!

Yes, it is possible to take money porting games to mobile platforms. Well, I still like Palm OS and others. Some companies are converting (using software simulators) the old games to play on Mobile Phones, if someone leak their games the value of the Intelectual Property would go low ... After all the market share is based upon interest.

There is a interesting book, Inside Steve's Brain for those that wanted to sell microcomputer stuff. After all it is about Mac's, iPods and iPhones amount others.

Game Software.
Let's take the Nintendo Virtual Console as example, Aleste was ported to the Virtual Console. Illegal copies would damage the revenue of the software houses and console makers!

93 reactions... A record already?

almost 100 replies
I cannot resist to give my contribution to this record

LOL, when any one sold flash cartridges, saying that work whith konami roms, no one complains!

That's the main problem with the MSX community. From time to time someone thinks it's a good idea to make money out of such a small and experienced community. Gee, most of us are ppl somehow experienced in coding. Launching iFart like apps on Apple store would probably make 10 times more money than those efforts...

Bueno, como mi inglés es tan patético como tus argumentos, voy a escribir en castellano. Total, como entiendes lo mismo, yo por lo menos podré expresarme sin impedimentos. Lo siento por la buena gente que no lo entienda, pido perdón por ello, pero el inglés sigue siendo mi asignatura pendiente. Total, lo que te voy a decir seguramente lo piense mucha gente pero por no daros más cancha prefieren ignorar vuestros comentarios. Y eso duele, ¿verdad? El que no te hagan ni caso. Yo ya estoy de vuelta de estas estupideces en los foros, así que no me importa escribirlo. Y no lo hago por mi, si no por toda la gente a la cual estais faltando el respeto. Como mucho me ganaré que me tiren del MRC, y podré vivir con ello. Y con un poco de suerte a lo mejor hasta se cierra el hilo, que sería lo más interesante.

Tu mismo,te estás contradiciendo con tu post. De vez en cuando "alguien" piensa en sacarle las perras a la comunidad MSX. Y luego me dices que sacaría más dinero haciendo aplicaciones para el iPod. Pero, a ver, alma de cántaro, ¿no significa eso PRECISAMENTE que no tengo ninguna intención de sacar ningún dinero?
Si quisiera sacar dinero, tengo los conocimientos y medios a mi alcance para hacer cualquier otro tipo de soft no MSX y sacar dinero PARA MI. O irme a cosechar que empieza la temporada.

¿Te crees entonces que quiero sacar dinero convirtiendo juegos más viejos que la humedad y que le interesan a una comunidad tan reducida? ¿O haciendo nuevo soft y utilidades?

Porque según tu post, ahora ya nadie va a poder sacar ningún juego ya que estaría "sacandole el dinero" a esta pequeña comunidad, de la cual espero no formes mucho tiempo parte.

¿O nos acusas de ladrones? Perdona pero hasta donde yo se no voy poniendo una pistola en la sien a nadie para que compre cosas. Si quisiera robar, robaría a los ricos, que es donde está el dinero. No a trabajadores, como lo son la mayoría de los usuarios de MSX.

Y me vienes diciendo que eres padre y tu trabajo es para pagar impuestos y dar de comer a tu familia.... ¿que virgen tiene que ver eso con todo esto? ¿Ese es tu argumento para poder piratear o no?

Aquí todo el problema es que quieres conseguir esos juegos a toda costa. Y como no puedes conseguirlos, atacas a todo lo que se pone por delante. Y ahora me sales con idioteces futbolísticas y entre paises. ¿Te crees que eso me afecta? Pero sigamos...

You paid for several MSX products. Good for you. And I don't care either.
I have a MSX t-shirt. I made it myself. And you don't have to care about it as well.

Y seguramente también tendrás todos los juegos que juegas en MSX originales o, mejor, programados por ti mismo, ¿no? Venga, cuéntame otra.

You say you're not a pirate.
Ok, let's be fair then.
Release a cartridge with only the enhanced and "free" games (the MSX2 remakes).
Then MRC can really advertise the fair and your product without "entering the grey area".

Supongo que debido a mi inglés no se entendió el sarcasmo. Desde el primer momento estáis acusando a la AAM de piratas pero a la vez pidiendo las ROMs. Todos sabemos que publicar esas ROMs TAMBIEN es piratería. Y el sarcasmo cuando muffie me preguntó si las iba a dejar fue ese: No, no las dejo porque estaría siendo un pirata. ¿Pillas ahora el sarcasmo?

But don't talk about hypocrisy.
By selling your cartridge, you are making profit. It doesn't matter if it is to pay the rent...

En efecto, lo que hacemos es TOTALMENTE ILEGAL. ¿Te he discutido yo eso? Creo que no, en ningún momento te he dicho que eso no sea piratería, pues conozco perfectamente las leyes y se lo que es y no es legal.

Pero, perdona... ¿no es hipocresia que me vengas con la ley en la mano y me PIDAS las roms? ¿No hipocresia criticar este cartucho cuando seguro que tienes tu casa llenita de cosas ilegales? Y más cuando realmente lo único que quieres son las Roms.

Yo te pregunto, como ya os pregunté: ¿por qué este revuelo contra este cartucho cuando durante toda la epoca amateur MSXera han habido, hay y habrán cosas por el estilo? ¿por qué te cebas contra algo que *siendo ilegal* no busca benefiio alguno salvo poder organizar Rus y no te cebas contra gente que vende cosas para su propio beneficio? Se coherente, o lo haces con todos o no lo hagas.

Además estás critiando algo que TODAVÍA NO SE HA HECHO. Es decir ya juzgas algo que no se ha hecho y nos acusas de delincuentes. Atencíón que aquí tenemos a "la policia del pensamiento".

You gave your LIFE to the community?
C'mon, man, don't start to be a drama-queen (just like another brazilian enthusiast that muffie dislikes very much).
Are you going to "abandon" the scene too?

Pues hombre, yo por lo menos puedo enumerarte ciento y un cosas que he hecho por esta comunidad, fíjate que ironía que todas están disponibles en internet y gratuitas. ¿Que has hecho tú?

¿Drama? No, sencillamente buscaba un poco de drama para ver si así más personas os decían lo que os tenían que haber dicho desde el primer momento.

¿Abandonar? ¿A estas alturas? Ni de coña. Las personas como tú son las que me dan energías para levantarme cada día y seguir haciendo cosas MSX, y más sabiendo, ahora, que te fastidiará.

And this:
"And you and your country friends say that I'm a devil, a pirate, a bad person".

My "country friends"? Do I detect some kind of racism or "countrism" in here?
Where did I say anything unrespectful about you?
Don't try to be a victim. It's a really sad subterfuge.

Si, soy racista. Odio a los ignorantes. Creo que eso me convierte en racista.

Nene, yo creo en las personas, no en los países. Un país no es nada, nada lo justifica excepto unas lineas pintadas en un papel. Aquí en "mi" pais hay gente buena y gente mala, ignorantes y personas inteligentes. Y en el tuyo también. Y lee los primeros post, anda, bonico del to. Hasta donde yo se el primer ataque "racista" fue de muffie ya que digo que todos los españoles son unos egocéntricos. Pero bueno, tienes razón, a ese comentario no tendría que hacerle caso, pues me rebaja a su altura. (De hecho ni le hice ni le haré caso).

Al final, para resumir, fijaros que hemos conseguido. Desviar la atención de lo realmente importante y que parece que os importa bien poco, que es la Reunión. Hay 14 expositores que han perdido sus horas por seguir creando soft, hard y todo tipo de cosas para el MSX. Otras tantas que se están dejando los cuernos para que las reuniones entre usuarios no desaparezcan. Y muchos usuarios que seguro que acudirán a la reunión y que ya por anticipado habría que aplaudirles.

Y vosotros, vuelta la borrica al trigo con temitas legales e ilegales. Desde luego habéis demostrado una falta de respeto bastante grande para con toda esta gente. Gente gracias a la cual el MSX sigue vivo o por lo menos colea. Gracias a personas como vosotros que detrás de un nick y desde cómodo salón solo criticáis lo que hacen otros sacándole punta a todo SIN APORTAR NADA DE NADA (ya que criticas por lo menos aporta soluciones) el MSX estaría bastante muerto. ¿Os doy las gracias o me arrodillo ante vosotros?

Y, fijate que gracioso todo, cuando tengo desde hace DIAS todas las Roms sueltas y preparadas para ser liberadas, incluso una que NO va en la recopilación (una versión de La Abadía del Crimen MSX1 que carga y graba en la flash, ya que la versión MSX1 del cartucho es la original sin tocar nada (carga y graba en cassete), solo la de MSX2 carga y graba en flash).

Ahora dirás... ¿y por qué no lo has hecho antes y con las otras Roms? Pues ... tiene guasa pero... es que NADIE las ha pedido. La gente, inteligente, quiere los cartuchos, no las Roms sueltas, porque sabe que así apoya a que se sigan organizando Reuniones.

And Ramones, one last thing: "cendra" de fiofó é rola...

Aquí si que te tengo que pedir yo perdón. Las prisas no son buenas escribiendo.

Una última cosa también: "iros a zurrir mierdas con un látigo".

101
I was here too

damm... 103... Huey, you won!!

muffie, algun español te ha robado dinero o una novia? Tanto odio a los españoles por no poder conseguir un cartucho? no crees que es una reaccion un poco infantil?
Como puedes hablar de racismo en una europa donde hay zonas donde el 30% son extranjeros!?

Lo mas seguro que yo asista a la RU y es probable que no pueda conseguir el cartucho, pero no por eso me voy a poner a llorar...

Anda, vete a odiar a Alonso, al fufbol español o compras una bandera y la quemas si asi te sientes mejor, que el mundo seguira girando te guste o no.
Que lastima que en mundo haya malas personas como tu.

@Ramones: I'm still reading your long post, but plz, be aware that Muffie is one person. Cidra is another, Yukio is another, LionelRitchie is another and etc... Sometimes (even in Spanish) you seem to mix our opinions all together. I'll try to respond to that later with care, ok?

@l1nux1n: No, I don't hate Spanish ppl at all. As I said, my mom was born in Europe and my father graduated in Spain.
I don't hate Alonso. I actually like his driving skills. Too bad he left McLaren on 2008.
About football, I'm not a huge fan, I was just being ironic.
- Never lost a girlfriend to a Spanish! As LionelRitchie says, I'm 22cm. I could only loose to some African!

- I already ceased my argumentation about the cart. In the future, I'll try to talk with some Brazilians so we can create an unique cart like that, but, of course, it will only be available at MSX Jaú fair.

@cidra: shoot me an e-mail: muffie@lavabit.com

*PS* I just sent an e-mail to msxbr-l too.

¿Qué diría Colecovision de Montezuma's Revenge?

¿Que diría Konami de Manbow 2 o Knightmare Gold?

¡Dejaos de gilipolleces!

El pirata de verdad es el que hace algo y vive del cuento toda su vida por culpa de las leyes de derechos de autor. Lo siento Ultimate pero viendo el remake tendríais que iros con el rabo entre las piernas porque lo han bordao, no como ellos que nos vendieron la versión spectrum y encima le vendieron a Jaleco el juego.

"What a waste of time! Your reactions are like a angry child with no toy"

Toy? We have toys, in fact Brazil is one of the Top Ten countries (fifth place in size and population) in IT value. If you are writting about games, we have them too ... Maybe not like the ones on Spain, but we already got some software over here (in the Past, Brazil was 7º market place), U.S.A was first and Japan second !!!

The isometric games could be changed to reflect the use of regional characters and could use new levels, imagine a robot or a cat with the isometric perspective ...

guantxip said:

"El pirata de verdad es el que hace algo y vive del cuento toda su vida por culpa de las leyes de derechos de autor".

So, basically, if someone records "Yesterday", then Paul McCartney should be te one paying for it?

It is all very interesting, but I have some doubts ... Is you really against my poor like game (the one about falling drops of water, a variation of the falling stones)? Maybe some persons simple do not like their own practices.

The MSX Compilation Vol. 2 is a great compilation , unfortunately almost all games are just pirate copies of unlicensed games . Some Software Houses still cares about the copyright of the titles, after all it was their intelectual property.

It was Ivan who wrote the news however (tho I supervised the writing of it a bit )

To all ppl writing in non-English: let's stick to English, or continue in the appropriate forum. Tnx.

Let me also place a useless remark here, just for the heck of it.

Jay, #123

>>By NapalM on May 28 2009, 18:01
>>LOL, when any one sold flash cartridges, saying that work whith konami roms, no one complains!

>By cidra on May 28 2009, 18:10
>Were they selling the Konami roms also?

Don't be demagogue, hardware like flash roms, nowind, etc, or software that can run roms or DSK like runit, loadrom, rMSX, etc, are think and
specifically prepared for work whith comercial games ( breaking protections if it necesary ), for example, konami games must be pathet for running.

When the people talk about those products, no one complains.

we know the others aplications. but is a minority.

I only use my FlashRoms and Nowind for development, but the main use is probably for playing games.

But I really don't understand this whole copyright discussion. I just bought a really nice flash cart for my ColecoVision: Atarimax ColecoVision 128-in-1 Flash MultiCart

It has a great interface with a PC to program it easily and they even link to sites where to get roms (sites we all know about so nothing new). Of course they don't ship with roms but they don't have this weird double standard and hypocracy that the MSX scene seem to have.

Well, make that 4th

I just want to say that I am very happy with all I got in this meeting. Unfortunately no carts were for sale after the meeting (sold out, yeah!) and I could no buy anything for NYYRIKKI as I wanted to do (sorry man!).

- I got MSX Compilation Vol 2 which is great and looks very nice close to MSX Compilation Vol 1 in my desk.
- I got Cold Blood which is a something like... let pacman meet Kojima. Nice concept!
- I got JETPAC which is the best game by far by Imanok (thanks man! I'm gonna show you that I can bet many levels! )
- I got KnightLore version by Retroworks (which was also included in the MSX Compilation Vol 2) and just for getting the box it was f*ckin' nice!

I've got x2 of each one of them (my brother visited the fair too) and I just want to ask for apologies to all people who could not get it even being there.

So I've spent many money in MSX goodies this time (not only in carts) and I am happy about it. I just wanted to share it with you. This was amazing to be able to buy so much new stuff @ the meeting.

Thanks to all people who could do this possible. Seems like MSX is not so dead after all!

Regards and peace!

By the way, nice to see you posting here, Dan! Long time no see!

PS: And it was great to have a Collectors' Disc Fair so close as I could get many discs too. Up the Irons!

Up the Irons! Amen to that ^_^

(..) please tell me another story why the heck someone takes away best parts of Spectrum games when converting them to MSX?

Idiot manager: "Hey dude, I found this great Spectrum game that doesn't have an MSX version yet. Can you make it?"
Idiot programmer: "Sure, why not?"
Idiot manager: "Just one problem: we want to get it out by Christmas, that's just five weeks from now. And the other guys are working on something else, so you'd have to do it alone."
Idiot programmer: "Hmmm... I don't know the MSX system that well, just the Spectrum."
Idiot manager: "Well, just make it resemble the Spectrum version, okay?"
Idiot programmer: "I'll do that. But I don't know if I'll have time to put in all those features of the Spectrum version"
Idiot manager: "Well, just make it play sort of the same as the Spectrum version, okay? Then we'll release whatever we have when Christmas season comes. I'm sure the fans will love it (and buy it)."
Idiot programmer: "Cool... see you later!"
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(Christmas season comes)
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Idiot buyer: "Can I buy that game already? I heard the conversion isn't that good, some features are missing, and there's some odd bugs in it, but hey... I love the Spectrum version so much, and my dad got me an MSX last week."
Smart sales rep: "Here it is... That'll be $29,95 then!"
Idiot buyer: "Cool.... I love it!"
Idiot manager: "Man, these babies are selling like hotcakes! Let's do another one!"

(replace MSX and Spectrum with any 2 platforms of choice)

Mira que hace tiempo de esto pero me hierve la sangre al leer a estos "Anti-MSX" porque al fin y al cabo es lo que son...
No he podido aguantarme,lo siento...

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