MSX Game Cover database

YET another game cover thingie. Howver it seems he took most of them from FUNet, which of which I provided most scans...

I hope he credited me somewhere or so.

Typical: the FUNet gamecover dir contains about 1579 pictures.... We can guess where he got it from.

Adriano: thanks for the hint... I was afraid of that. Too bad that some people want to show off other people's hard work.

I've also encountered the game covers on a commercially sold CD-ROM once... What a pity.

Dear Adriano Cunha & cia.
I do a favor for the MSX community and you guys come here to say idiot things about me?
I´ve just uploaded the covers to my site, so people could see the images easily. I never said that I did the hard work to scan them.
And I don´t try to take over other´s work as they are mine. As you can check, I DO programs for MSX, like DSKPro, Final Copy and Eprom Bits Re-Organizer. And as you can see, they are in Top 10 most downloaded programs here, like DSKPro. Differently from "others", I don´t criticize people before knowing the truth.

Regards
Marcos Daniel

1 - Yes, its a favor. I forgot you are a complete idiot and blind. Man, you really sucks. I haven´t noticed it yet, but now it´s clear. Man, you are a fucking kid trying to sabotage the work of a true msx user. My work is to help msx users. Your work is to say idiot things about other msx users.

2 - Who are you to say that the interface of my site sucks? I know that you are a NERD and an idiot, but I will let you know that MY site is one of the BEST, talking about oline photo albums. And its interface is excellent. Please, stop talking about what you don´t even have an idea. Go back to your MSX translations. There you know what to do. Not here.

3 - And YES, I sell an MSX DVD with lots of important things. And NOWHERE it´s written that I did this PDF file, or that PDF file. And NOBODY has rights over what I sell, besides KONAMI, SONY, etc. So Let them talk to me about it. And you, NERD, stop saying idiot things about what you don´t have a tiny idea.

4 - And I don´t have problems to say "Congratulations" when someone does a good work, as you have done in your FAST FDC bios.

5 - But please, stay in your room, and don´t open your mouth. It´s full of idiot things. Just a NERD like you could say that the interface of my site sucks. You suck! My site is one of the best, with more than 100.000 users from all over the world. Come on, after that, go to bed. It´s the best you can do.

Yes, it says everything about me. A true msx user who wants to help others.

Regards
Marcos Daniel

(^_^( "Deja-Vu!"
)o_O) "Deja-Vu!"

Yes, I am selling a DVD with lots of MSX stuff, all organized by topic. So what? I´ve spent 2 years organizing the programs and games. Is that a crime? If yes, send a letter to Konami, Sony, etc, warning them about it. I will be happy to talk with them.

Regards
Marcos Daniel

And you Slotman, mind your own business. Take care of your site, and let me help true msx users like me. Post messages in Adriano´s forums. Not here.

I post wherever and whenever I want to. And who proclaimed you as a "true msx user"? Get real, man.

And stop putting messages about me. If the NERD Adriano is your friend, help him to translate more games. It´s the best you can do. Stop being a pain in my foot. Do something, besides saying idiot things about what you don´t know.

I'm glad to be a pain in your foot. People who benefits commercially from the free work of others should not be respected at all.

This is the same thing you did with the MSX scanned books project.
Downloaded the books, the TOSEC and GOODSET and put it on a DVD... years of work? Sorry, but I could done that in 2 or 3 days tops.

And you forget to mention that you are selling your "DVD" for 10 times what a DVD-R costs.

You also forget to tell that your DVD has copyrighted material as well (even a WinImage copy with *serial* on it) and lots of duplicated data to claim it's a "full DVD".

Now go back to your insignificant "MSX Global" mail list, since you've been banned from MSXBR-L where noone could take your bad attitude anymore.

This guy, marcos daniel, is known as trouble generator here in Brazil. He always took someone work, and sell it, blaming that he had the enormous work to make the compilation. The only work he made is mirror and burning a site.
BTW, he sell a DVD kit here, that have some suspicious software (piracy?), like Chaos Assembler and ohters, other protected softwares are in the DVD too...
{link to DVD removed for obvious reasons, even though it was an example}

Only on-topic posts, please. Stop the personal discussions. Thank you.

~sigh, I thought the time of personal conflicts @ MRC was over. Please people, all this fuzz... I have deep respect for anyone who actively contributes to the MSX community. It's no secret that I don't consider spreading warez to be a contribution to the MSX community, but the sad thing is that that wasn't even part of the discussion.

Once again: please refrain from personal reactions from now on, and stick to reactions on the MSX game cover website itself. If you have any problems with its contents, I suggest you contact the webmaster in person.

Thats for you Slotman,

I DO sell the DVD with lots of MSX stuff. So what? I've just sold more than 50 DVD's. Uau, that's great, What a feeling. Do you want to buy one? I don't sell my DVD for NERDS, sorry.

PS moderator: Before moderating my messages, please, read what people are writting here about me. They don't do anything for msx community and criticize real msx users, like me, who want to help other msx users. Do you think it is not good to put all msx covers in my site to help the visualization of them? I never said that I did the scans.

Regards
Marcos Daniel

I really think this "NERD" thing can be solved with the help of a professional psychologist.
I never heard about anyone suffering from NERDophobia, though.
*Not* an assembly programmer, at least...

Thats for you Slotman,

I DO sell the DVD with lots of MSX stuff. So what? I've just sold more than 50 DVD's. Uau, that's great, What a feeling. Do you want to buy one? I don't sell my DVD for NERDS, sorry.

I dont want your DVD. I have everything your "years of work" has, and at least 10x more stuff.

And you dont even know me in person, how could you call me a nerd? not that it's even an offense, btw - nerds tend to be very rich peopple

And I'm the one sorry, for that pathetic behaviour of yours.

Until now you're the only one attacking people - Me and Adriano only commented on what you DO.

Now, you come and call me an idiot. You sure need to learn some manners before talking to me.

And that's my final post before I starting lowering things to your level.

Crawl back to your hole and stay there, that way you will be doing a huge favor to msx community.

Allrighty then, next one who personally attacks or insults someone gets a week without MRC for free!

Face it guys, we're all nerds... at least to some extent. ^_^

I must admit that I was insulted by the user thinlizzy, who didn't showed the real 'face', when he suggested that the Serie Master was a kind of piracy.
How can an intelligent person let something like that out of her mind, without having proofs?
I, Rudolf Arthur Frans Gütlich (inforvale at yahoo dot com dot br), was a co-programmer of the Serie Master, from Empire Informática, and me and Marcos Daniel Blanco Oliveira together made all the programs from the zero, only with learnings from books and personal research.
I am shamed that I have the company of someone like you in this community, thinlizzy. Please, only say what you KNOW about. It's very indelicate to create 'fire burning's' without the need of.
And to finish: I think that all of this could be solved in start, by the authors (?!) of the scanning, only by sending a message like: "hey, dude, I made the scannings, can you credit me?". That's all we need to live in peace.

You can tell me that this rant about covers is not related with MSXLivros, but the sadness of all these problem have the same origin. MSXBook was the first, MSX Cover database was the second...What will be the third act from cbsfox?

That´s for you atom:

Man, you really don´t know what you are talking about. Let me explain for the last time:
That guy who scanned the books has done a great job for MSX community. BUT it´s illegal. I know but I don´t care. YOU "atom", and every msx user that uses game ROMS in a emulator, are doing an illegal act, so you are a criminou in order to what the LAW says. So, that guy who scanned the books has no rights over the scans. He could have asked me just to put his name in my DVD. Just that, nothing more.
And people, stop looking at other´s nose. Almost every msx user is a pirate, using msx game ROMS in emulators. I don´t care. I sell the work to organize the DVD, which took me 2 years to do that. Is it illegal? Maybe. So what? You need to look at what you do, not what other´s do. It´s hipocrisy to say that to sell the DVD is illegal, and what that guy did scanning msx books is not. It´s illegal too. Pure piracy. So, get a life man.

Regards
Marcos Daniel

hahahahahahahahahahaha. That was the joke of the year.

Authorization of every author? Man, your are ridiculous. What he did IS ILLEGAL, and what YOU DO is ILLEGAL TOO. To use msx ROMs in emulators is ILLEGAL TOO. Do you have rights to use the roms? Do I send messages to you saying that you can not use MSX ROMs in emulators bacause it´s ILLEGAL? I, you and everybody use MSX ROMs in emulators, and it´s ILLEGAL.
Man, get a life!

Agreed! That´s it. It´s not something to ask for... Maybe Slotman and Adriano Cunha can learn it.

Regards
Marcos Daniel

The credits is not something to ask for as I agreed to in the last message.
So, you didn´t understand anything...

Regards
Marcos Daniel

Well, I was only reading this thread full of hate, and thinking when I'd write an reaction... Well, there are my two-cents of contribution

As atom, I know the MSX Livros's author. He's a friendly guy, and he asked for the right to scan the books from Editora Aleph (any Brazilian MSX-freak would know, they're the best books about MSX which has ever written in our mother tongue). Pierluigi Piazzi, the editor and owner of Editora Aleph, was in the Jaú meeting, in the year 2000 (you can find his photos in the MSXPro website), and he asked if he could keep on scanning Aleph's books. He said: "Of course, it's a great way to spread technical information about MSX". So, he had the rights.

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Thinlizzy said that the Master series were all piracy, which I think it's wrong. We can't negate Marcos Daniel's contributions to the Brazilian MSX community developing software for our beloved computer. But he isn't the only one who has helped the MSX standard: He's helping writing code, like Slotman, Adriano, Daniel Caetano, etc. There are others (like Luciano Sturaro) who knows a lot about hardware, and creates great tutorials, where people who doesn't know anything about electronics (like me ) can **try to** improve their MSXs. And we can't forget the guys who runs websites, manages mailing lists and FTP sites, writes documentation... All of them are helping the MSX standard to stay alive.

But remember Marcos, you aren't the only one, and it's sad to say that dude... You are not the best. Sorry to say that, pal, but your problem (which seems that it hadn't been solved yet) isn't even your technical excellence, but your proudness, your arrogance, your bloated ego... The MSX community has lived very well since you left the standard, in the mid-nineties. And when you decided to came back, all the people were glad with your back. But forget about the red carpet and the apple-polishers, there aren't many of them here.

One of the best virtues of every human being is humility, not proudness. We noticed that you've been yelling at our mailboxes saying "BOMBA! BOMBA! BOMBA!", only to say that you've changed the color of the pull-down menu of your software... And telling us that we could not live without your software, telling us that you are the best? Frankly, I thought first you've been sarcastic, or ironical... But I noticed unfortunately that you think that the MSX community is around your bellybutton! What amazing, a guy who really believes that he's the center of the universe! And I thought Larry Ellison (from Oracle) was the only guy who thinks he's God...

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About DVDs and CDs... The MSXRio usergroup are selling 3 DVDs: One has the full Funet FTP archive, and some other thingies. The second has all the Daniel Caetano's FTP archive (including all the MSX-Livros project), Adriano's website and some other thingies. The third is full of EVAs. The price? R$ 10, or 3,78 euro (let me have some spare time, that we'll try to sell them overseas). Ah, we've a CD-ROM with more than 7000 photos of MSX meetings. Only R$ 5 (1,89 euro). Maybe a pack of this 3 DVDs and the CD-ROM would cost even cheapier than your bloated DVD.

Your DVD is bloated, it has software which are still being sold (I'm not telling about Project EGG, I'm telling about software developed by usergroups lately), and with a lot of crap, like double filenames, and so on. And 19 euros (R$ 50)?

BTW, Adriano and Daniel authorized us to sell the contents of their sites, even all the MSX-Livros project.

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And last but not least:
- Marcos, you sucks. Almost all the posts you've written here was attacking and/or offending other MSX-users. I don't care if they are well-known developers or not, but you've been using such a bad language since the first post... LetÅ› grow up and try to discuss in a more polite way. BTW, if you had used half of these words in MSXBR-L, you've been moderated until the end of 2005. You can't argue, only? Sorry pal, you should have known that the life is more than your bellybutton...

Long life to MSX. But not at all costs.

Ricardo, aka Lieutenant Blueberry.

Correcting: the author of the scannings is Antoniutti, not Pierluigi Piazzi. Sorry!

Regards
Marcos Daniel

I have seen copies of the FAQ on other sites. It reminds me of this: copies of the game cover images on another site. For me, as someone who is working on these kinds of things, the problem is as follows.

The goal of these projects is to share information with others. I work very hard to keep this information up to date and as accurate as possible. If someone makes a copy of it and hosts it online (mostly without asking), all improvements I make will not end up in those copies. They will get outdated. So, the hard work is compromised: it's terrible to see a badly copied thing of yourself somewhere else, outdated and with much more errors than the actual version. Moreover, if someone is looking for good information he could end up on one of those outdated copies and this will not help him at all. It would be much better to have the information only at one place, so that it can be maintained and updated centrally. Regarding the FAQ, you can read this (a bit between the lines) in http://faq.msxnet.org/faqfaq.html

For this game cover database: if the database would use *links* to the original pictures, instead of a copy, I would have totally no problem with it.

So, cbsfox, if you want to help users, you know how you can help them better now: use links, not copies.
Also, upsetting a large part of the active MSX developers (in any form) is not helping an MSX user either. Their motivation will only go down, resulting in less cool new MSX products/activities. So, please think carefully in what way you want to help other MSX users.

About credits (in general), you said you agree that one shouldn't ask for credits. Instead, one should just give credit. The point is, that you didn't give credit and this is considered not very decent. As soon as someone (seems to) ask you (or anyone) to give credit, you already know that something is wrong: you have forgotten to give it. It's not too late to fix that.

Whoever is right (the whole who_does_what-issue is likely to oxidate @ my ass), what the community also doesn't deserve is namecalling.. so next time, count from one to ten and skip the "idiot NERD" part.

PRotieh: How strange... In this message (https://listas.unesp.br/pipermail/msxbr-l/2005-November/031325.html) Rudolf claims he was the co-programmer of "Serie Master" together with cbsfox (remember they are closer friends)...

Dear Ricardo rjp,

1) No,no,no. Antoniutti doesn´t have the rights to scan those books. It´s the most probably thing. You know that. Just Aleph have given to him the rights to scan their books. So, it´s illegal.

2) Even if he had received the rights to scan all the books, which hadn´t, I wouldn´t have to ask HIM to put the scannings in my my DVD, because he DOESN´T have the rights over the scannings, he JUST have received the rights to SCAN the books. The rights over the books belongs to the publishing companies and the authors of them. So, anyone can do whatever they want with the scannings. And the only right thing to do is to ask the publishing companies and the authors of the books, to use the scannings. I don´t need to ask anything for Antoniutti. But of course, he has done a great job scanning all those books, illegaly or not. I don´t care. I can put the credits to him in my DVD, no problems. But I will not ASK him anything. He is a great person but has NO rights over anything in my DVD. MY DVD is illegal? Maybe! So what? I don´t care. But if he had the rights over the books, of course I would have to ask him to put the scannings in my DVD.
Did you understand that? Am I clear now?

3) Of course my source codes are free. It´written in the package. Actually I would love to see a version of my program updated by a person, improving it.

4) My mailling list is great. Most of the users in my list love it.

5) MSXBR-L is really a ridiculous list. Full of idiots like Adriano Cunha and Slotman. Of course, not all of them. There are a lot of good people there. But because of Adriano Cunha, Sloman and others, the list is going direct to the trash.

6) They are really negative people. Read the messages from the beginning to know who is negative. My language is compatible with them. They just understand that.

7) Don´t be like them. It seems that you are a good guy.

Regards
Marcos Daniel

1) After all this, MDBunda, did you finally put the credits to Funet/Manuel/Tristan in your site?
2) It seems that nobody cares about your programs source code, since nobody ever did something useful with them... But if you check UZIX or ExecROM, for example, you'll notice that many guys contributed to it.
3) Surely your mailing list is great, but just for you, because there you can act like the god you would like to be.
4) MSXBR-L is a 10-years-old MSX list. And it's fine, thanks, after all these years. It will not finish just because you would like it to happen. I bet your list will die much before MSXBR-L.
5) I prefer being negative than being all the (well written) adjectives stated by RJP that clearly describe you.
6) Your language is easy to understand: you just know two or three words in English and have one straight (and weak) way of thinking. Just like an amoeba.
7) RJP is a good guy for sure. I know this and I'm lucky for having him as my personal friend.

1) MDBunda, my programs don't appear in MRC Top Ten Downloads just because they aren't in MRC Freeware Database. I like the Freeware Database, it's a nice place for free programs. But I have a website and I like to put my programs there. Or in SourceForge (UZIX website is hosted by SF). The number of downloads from my website or from UZIX website is a private info of mine. But just to make you happy, WebTrends tells me that, in October, ONEDRIVE was downloaded 173 times, Illusion City PT/EN 215 times, and Guerra Fria, 133 times. It's more than DSKPro (the only program from you which appears in the MRC Top Downloads), who got 119 downloads in October. BTW, these high ratings exist because you download it many times a day just to make it appears top-ranked?
2) MSXBR-L is not my list. It never was. RJP is the creator and admin. I'm just one of the three moderators, and was elected with the majority of the votes.
3) I'll not sign up your list, never. You know I refused your invitation.
4) Is your English much better than mine? Are you really sure? Well, at least I don't write things like "at the lasted", "It hearts" or "If, from the start"...

Cool picture, Wolf! But I think this one is better for this topic:

Now let me back to MSX programming... :P

Dear Adriano idiot Nerd Cunha,

Thanks god you are not in my list!
Come on, Uzix is a cool program, but no one uses it. So... And DSKPro, you know... Always in Top 10 here. The numbers show everything...

Your english sucks. You know that. Of course, I make mistakes. I am not perfect, and I don´t claim to be. So, try another thing to criticize.

And man, please, go back to your mailling list, full of idiot NERDS like you. Please. Do a favor to normal people.

Putz, this guy really sucks. What a DUMB!

Regards
Marcos Daniel

I think the topic could remain open if everyone (EVERYONE!) would stop with:
- insults
- calling names
- accusations
- saying "your XXX sucks"

no one is helped with that.

Dear cbsfox (aka Marcos Daniel),

I was reading your last reactions, and there are some objections that I wanna do:

1) I've got your DSKPro, from the MSX.org freeware database. Well, it's a nice software, it's somewhat useful to a MSX-user. But I decided to take a look at the source code... .MAC, isn't it? And I found only three quotes into your code. Only three? Well, quotes into the source code would be helpful for any MSX-user who wants to improve your work.

So, how do you want to develop free Asm code if there aren't any documentation? I can't understand almost nothing from your program, and maybe almost all the MSX Assembly programmers. If you wanna really help, take my advice and write some (or a lot of) text explaining how this was written. It's Assembly, so the text is very important to know the meaning of the code. Please take a look at "The Art of Unix Programming" (http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/), it would help you to write better-written code.

BTW, I was taking a look at Uzix source code (http://uzix.sf.net), and Adriano has written a lot of notes, in order to help other MSX developers. Uzix, ExecROM, almost all the code written by Adriano, and seen by me, was full of documentation. It's much easier to improve well-documented code.

2) You said that Adriano, Slotman, etc, doesn't help the community. Well, maybe the guys from MSXBR-L are gifted people, because I have seen they helping newbie developers there since they started talking there, some years ago. Countless times I saw they writing emails trying to help that guy who wants to write that BASIC routine... Sorry to say, but I haven't seen yourself writing these emails yet.

3) MSXBR-L was founded by myself in 1995, so think twice before throwing any stones to this mailing list! B-)

4) NERD... Well, take a look at: http://www.a-arca.com/nerd/. To the non-Portuguese speakers: I am nerd, what's the matter?

5) A friend of mine sent to me a quote talking about you, in the "Baú de Jogos" website: http://baudejogos.vetorialnet.com.br/staff.php. If you wanna read it, please roll down, till finding your name. I know that the people from "Baú de Jogos" isn't that people that we could call them "polite". But they're telling a lot of things about your beloved DVD. If there's any non-portuguese speakers interested into this note, please be my guest, use Babelfish or ask for a translation. It's funny to read, believe me. :-D

6) You are hosting your MSX Photos database in that site, MeuAlbum.com, right? I was looking at the license of the site... There is a paragraph who talks about copyrighted material. Hmm... Aren't these photos copyrighted material? So, you can't place them into this site. It's illegal, you can't do what are you doing.

7) It's the perfect number! LOL!

8) Your english is becoming even worse than I thought it would be possible... Are you using Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com) in order to translate your quotes, or everything just popped into your mind?

9) Man, get a life! You're so worried with our reactions, that I think you are just clicking Reload in your browser, to answer us, just yelling that we are IDIOTS and NERDS all the time. Of course, with the helpful hand of the babelfish, because you are writing so bad english (or... Engrish?) that you should get some lessons..

As we say in portuguese: Cresça e apareça. Mind up your language, cbsfox.

Regards, Ricardo (popping up from limbo to answer a quote).

Too bad. The same happens with Slotman. But the worst part is that they don´t share their knowledge and attack people who want to help others, like me.

You should really think before accusing us like that. I have lots of messages concerning programming on MSXBR-L, I have full games with source code, I released MSX Pad with libraries. If that's not sharing Knowledge, I dont know what it is.

And if you remember, I was very nice to you when I first talked to you, even hosted your "Final Copy" on my site. But then, you started to fight every MSXBR-L user, you start selling your overpriced DVD, you destroyed the MSX-Livros project... this is what you call helping the msx community?

ot because of you, but because of people like Adriano Cunha, Slotman and Cia, who think they are the best.

I never said, or think that. Actually I'm just the opposite, over and over again I say that people like Ricardo Bittencourt, Adriano, Daniel Caetano are far better programmers than I am. I allways say "I do what I can with what I know." - If I end up with something nice, it's because of the help of others and my personal efforts towards my goals.

Allrighty then, next one who personally attacks or insults someone gets a week without MRC for free!

Please, enforce this on cbsfox. Since your post bart, he has called me an "idiot" a lot of times.

CbsFox just won a free week without MRC! Congratulations! Calm down and welcome back in seven days!